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The Most Uncommon Man: Lessons from a Modern Patriot and a Tribute to Charlie Kirk

Kevin Tinter Episode 107

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Bek and Kev reunite in the studio after nearly a year to honor the legacy of Charlie Kirk – a friend, mentor, and truly Uncommon Man who left an indelible mark on our nation. Fresh from attending his memorial service, they share powerful reflections on how this extraordinary event felt more like a revival than a funeral, with thousands gathering in peaceful tribute.

Through personal anecdotes and thoughtful analysis, they explore the core values Charlie championed that made him such a transformative figure. From his ability to speak truth with love to his courageous stance during the COVID lockdowns, Charlie modeled a counter-cultural approach to manhood that resonated deeply with young people across America.

The most moving moment came when Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, demonstrated remarkable spiritual strength by offering forgiveness to her husband's killer just weeks after the assassination. This profound act of faith left hardened men weeping and showcased the distinctive power of Christian forgiveness in a culture often driven by revenge.

Bek and Kev break down Charlie's most impactful sayings – from "courage takes no skill" to "live for more than yourself" – and discuss how these principles apply to parenting, marriage, and community-building. They reflect on raising teenage boys in today's challenging cultural landscape and how Charlie's example provides a roadmap for nurturing the next generation of courageous leaders.

Whether you were a longtime follower of Charlie Kirk or are just learning about his impact, this heartfelt conversation offers valuable insights about faith, courage, and living a life of purpose. Join us as we celebrate an uncommon man whose legacy continues to inspire a revival across America.

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Kev:

Hey friends, welcome back to the Uncommon Freedom Show with Bek and Kev.

Bek:

Together again.

Kev:

Yes, it has been a really long time. It's been almost a year since we recorded together and we are continuing the Uncommon man theme to do a tribute podcast to probably certainly the most uncommon man of the 21st century so far. I mean, we're only 25 years into it, but we are fresh off of the incredible memorial service for our friend, Charlie Kirk, and it was an unbelievable experience and he's someone that we considered a friend. He was not a close friend, but we did get to know him. He actually came and spoke at our house almost four years ago for an event where we raised, I think, $240,000 that night.

Bek:

Epic night.

Kev:

It was an incredible night we were. Let's see, we're in this house. We are rushing to get landscaping done. Oh yes, that's right, it was a crazy rush and it ended up being an absolute incredible night. Brandon Tatum, the officer Tatum, came that night. We also had Congresswoman Kat Kamak from Florida. She just had a baby.

Kev:

Oh, very cool, congratulations to her. But we just want to spend a couple minutes and just kind of reflect on some of the things that stood out for us as some of the values that Charlie stood for as missions was really inspiring young men biblical manhood, to step into biblical manhood, and he was doing it in his unique brand, um, but really a similar mission to what you know what I'm on and what we're about with uncommon freedom. So any thoughts?

Bek:

Just that his uncanny knack for speaking truth and love was something to not only be admired but just to learn from. You realize he followed the way Jesus really handled things, which was to do things in relationship to people not against people, but in relationship to bring truth to them, but do it in a loving manner and I think he navigated that really well.

Kev:

And we saw a lot of evolution and development in how he handled that.

Bek:

Certainly, we all get better with time. Yeah, the hope is we get better with time, absolutely. Absolutely.

Kev:

I didn't know who he was until our friend Thea sent me. I remember it was.

Bek:

I was trying to figure out how we first heard about his podcast. We were in Miami.

Kev:

It was the summer of 2020 for Thea's birthday party.

Bek:

It was the summer of 2020 for.

Kev:

Thea's birthday party. Yes, and she sent me a podcast with Charlie and Jack Hibbs.

Bek:

Ah, yes, okay.

Kev:

And so we're talking about. We are in the throes of the lockdown and Charlie was one of the few voices that was really, and Jack Hibbs, as a pastor, was one of the few minority that, early on, saw through the facade of safety and everything.

Bek:

Really speaking common sense when it felt like the world and our government had lost their minds.

Kev:

Absolutely, and that was when we really got exposed to him and, probably within a month or two, started supporting Turning Point, because once we learned what their mission was, we got on board with it, and during that season it was kind of a slow season in many ways and we would go to events and that's how we got to meet him personally and then invite him to come speak at our event. So that's how we got introduced to him.

Bek:

It was a big, bold ask. He said, yes, he had a very busy fall. It was. You know, he was doing his campus tours back then, but they were nothing like the schedule he runs now. And yet he was still swamped and I remember they made time to run him over have him speak. He ran out right after he spoke. We didn't get any extra time with him, but we were just so grateful to have his voice and the voices of the other amazing speakers that came.

Kev:

Yeah, and as we, you know, kind of in the wake of, you know, his tragic assassination, I had a number of people reach out to me and say, like I didn't know who Charlie Kirk was until I came to that fundraiser at your house, and so it was. You know, it's cool to be able to connect people to his mission and what he stood for. Um, but uh, let's just, we'll, we'll get into it. Actually, your thoughts, I mean the more memorial, was incredible.

Bek:

Oh, my goodness. Uh, it was what we could ask or imagine uh, a very long day.

Kev:

It was an emotional, exhausting day.

Bek:

Um, but really number one. Just hats off to TP USA for pulling that together in one week. It was done professionally. It was amazing to be around like-minded, like-hearted Americans who came there for one reason to honor Charlie, who were patriotic, who were patient and kind when it was hot and the lines were long and people were just so joyful. They were just not aware of any looting or rioting. No, nothing.

Kev:

I. I didn't even see protesters, but I heard there was a couple, but I mean obviously just the kindness to show strangers.

Bek:

I mean, we had an epic entry because we were going in a certain entrance that we couldn't walk through, had to be in a vehicle and literally it was a dumb and dumber moment of pick them up up. And here we were, in our dress clothes, jumping into the back of pickup trucks with total strangers, all dressed up, sitting on each other's laps and piling in and getting squished and sweating together, and everyone was just joyful and happy to do it and the people driving their vehicles were happy to open their vehicles to random strangers and it was just a picture of the you know the healthiest of the American way. It was just a beautiful way to come into the whole event. And then, obviously, the way they it was just a beautiful way to come into the whole event. And then, obviously, the the way they honored him was incredible, with from multiple speakers to incredible worship. I mean it felt like a picture of heaven, a piece of heaven just to be there. And nothing wrecked me more than the moment of silence when all the cards were held up and they were just honoring him.

Bek:

And yeah, I mean you and I were absolutely shocked to just hear about what was happening to him.

Bek:

We're praying fervently for him to survive and once he passed, like most people felt like how could this happen at this time to such a person like this, when he was so important to our nation and to our freedom?

Bek:

But, of course, only the Lord knows what comes next, and it's just you know what we've been saying in this season. Of course, only the Lord knows what comes next, and it's just a. You know what we've been saying in this season of parenting, because we are in a really difficult season of parenting. Still, there's seasons that come and go, but it's been a long one. It's been a one that's needed steadfastness, and so one of the things I keep saying is God is a promise keeper and I trust him, even when things don't seem to be going our way or looking bright. And knowing that, going into Charlie's assassination, I think, and just seeing what came out on the other end the beautiful, beautiful revival that's happening across the country it's like God knew what would happen if this took place and he decided that these people's souls were worth taking Charlie at this time and making an opportunity for people to really reconcile themselves to the Lord.

Kev:

Yeah, and it was amazing in the wake of his passing, just the impact that he had. I mean, he was one of the most active voices probably in the world, between being on his podcast and radio for about three hours a day and all the other interviews and then on the live events we were listening to him at the beginning, when he was just kind of getting going, and so I think you know COVID obviously gave him a very powerful voice.

Bek:

He'd been working behind the scenes tirelessly, but as far as his popularity, you know, I was shocked that all over the country people knew who he was.

Kev:

Yeah, I mean I've. I've never seen any death impact people.

Bek:

Yeah. Um of, of of a current person in a positive way, right and.

Kev:

I've never seen so many grown men cry. I mean my my groups of friends. I mean, it was. It's just incredible.

Bek:

I was sharing that. You know in where we were sitting for the event. Uh, when Erica Kirk was speaking, I watched someone in their seventies and grown man.

Bek:

I saw him completely wrecked, like just sobbing, weeping, really weeping, uh, at her willingness to forgive and just her heart. And he was so broken and it was just. I don't even know who he was or where he came from, I didn't know anything about him, Um, but just watching the effect on him reminds us of our humanity, I think, and truly the part of the best part of the human spirit, which is the caring for other people and seeing them suffer, and and, and having compassion in those moments.

Kev:

So yeah, that was uh. To me that was probably the most most profound moment of the day. I mean, goodness gracious, you think about someone taking either your spouse or your kids and, within two weeks, offering forgiveness.

Bek:

I mean I think I heard on the news that even the families from the Catholic shooting they were saying the same thing. So it's not an easy thing or a trite thing that Christians, especially we're called to forgive. But I don't think that it's something that you should take lightly or just say and you could see on Erica's face and the emotion that it took for her to get the words out that it wasn't an easy choice for her. And it won't continue to be an easy choice.

Kev:

We've learned through having to forgive people for much less than what erica's having to forgive people for and it's still hard forgiveness I mean, that's why jesus says it's 70 times seven. In other words, you're gonna have to do it over and over it's not like you decide still working on it with a few yeah in my own heart.

Kev:

Yeah yeah, um, I was listening to something today and um, it was. It was. It was charlie's podcast, and the team team that's continuing carrying the torch was talking about the fact that Erica's explanation for forgiveness is. I want to make sure that I see, charlie on the other side, and Jesus said if you don't forgive, you will not be forgiven, and so she's like living out it's a conscious decision that if I don't forgive him, wow I will not be forgiven yeah and so it really is.

Kev:

It's it's living out faith and really a stark contrast to how the left operates yeah, um where it's when it's just you know they're about, we're gonna, you know we need to be violent. I mean you think some of the politicians on the left that have literally incited violence like we have to go to war against these people.

Bek:

And really tarnish his reputation by taking clips of things out of context. I mean, Charlie was a human being. He wasn't a perfect man and a lot of people might not agree with everything that he said or the way he shared it, but you can see the kindness of that man and the strength of that man in so much of his commentary. If you listen to full clips and you watch him really engage with people.

Kev:

And the other thing is I mean, one of the things that Charlie was so good at is bringing people together Absolutely, because you know he would have people at his events that vehemently disagreed on different policy issues and like we wouldn't even necessarily agree on everything he says. But looking for people, judging people based on you know, I'm only going to follow, believe, like people that I agree with 100%. I mean you and I couldn't even like each other because, even though that we are, there's no one that shares my values more than you do, right, but there's still 1% of things that we disagree, agree about, right, um, I, I mean, and, and so it's like, definitely you can chew the meat, spit out the bones and you look at the overall content and the overall character. So a couple of key takeaways from Charlie that I think are a great application for all of us, and especially young men, is his statement about being courageous. It takes no skill, that's right.

Kev:

All you have to do is say yes and you think about, you know, during COVID, the courageous service members and other people who said no to the vaccine that you know that put their either put their job on the line or literally did lose their jobs. Some people knew it, they were taking a big risk. Other people ended up losing it. It doesn't take skill. I would say courage is one of the most desperately needed virtues and the most lacking virtues, certainly in our society.

Bek:

Well, I hope courage has truly been awakened through this process. I really think it has.

Bek:

Yes, I can remember and this is like baby courage compared to what most you know like anything that Charlie did or anything anyone in the public eye.

Bek:

But I remember shopping in 2020 and every time I went into the store no, it wasn't like I loved shopping before COVID, but during COVID I felt like I was going into battle, like I had to wear my boots and strap on my equipment to be able to go into the store and ignore the announcements telling me that I should be wearing a mask and I should stay six feet apart, and I was out of compliance and I was wrong and walking against the grain with all the people doing it you know, 90% of the people doing it and it was just.

Bek:

I remember the discomfort in my soul to do it, knowing that I I felt my convictions were correct, I did not need to wear one, I was not afraid, I did not get sick, and yet just being in that environment was so uncomfortable and that's like a tiny example of courage, like so small, ridiculous, silly even, but it was. But we didn't see a lot of people doing it back then and so, as the cost gets higher and the results are going to be more important in the long term, I really hope that people put that courage on like a piece of armor and they start wearing it every day.

Kev:

And we were the rebels.

Bek:

But we've been proven right about absolutely everything that was mainstream during that time frame and honestly grateful our kids had a relatively normal experience during that season because we lived in the great state of Arizona. They went to a great school and we chose not to parent with fear and so yeah, it was an interesting time, but now we have to be more courageous.

Bek:

I mean we're leading with our faith more than we have in any other time in life. And you know, we run a business and we want to help everyone. We don't want to help only people that share our faith. So it is a risk and I'm actually going to talk about this with my upcoming networking group about what, why alignment matters. And you know, can we walk in this nebulous place of like not really expressing our faith in business? We can, because we don't want to make people feel like they can't come to us. But at the same time, when you have the conviction in your soul of watching that experience over the weekend and realizing that if we, if we don't stand for something, we fall for almost anything. And people don't necessarily people who desperately need the best thing we can offer them, which is a faith in Jesus Christ. If we don't talk about that and at least offer people that opportunity by knowing us, then we're missing the great commission.

Kev:

Yeah.

Bek:

And so I just feel, like you know we're leading ourselves more in that way and hopefully we don't alienate people, because we really are, you know, interested in helping all people get healthier and start a business and work from home and have time freedom.

Kev:

Right. If we help people get health and they lose their soul.

Bek:

It's worthless. What does it matter?

Kev:

That's I mean. One of the things that I definitely observed about Charlie is that you know it's part of the maturing process and probably part of the mentoring process. You know he was surrounded by some incredible people. Um is that if you look at the evolution of his public content, you know, towards those last couple of years, like like faith was leading everything that he did Um.

Kev:

It was less about policy, less about politics, and politics was a way to connect with people, with people and to have conversations with people tough conversations, right, but he was leading with his faith and you know I was just sharing. Well, frequently or let me put it, occasionally I will, I will take advantage of the opportunity, before we start to play poker, to just share the gospel in a very simple way, uh, but you know, we were blessed with an incredible house and a lot of times people are like, wow, this is an awesome house. You know, this is the coolest poker setup I've ever seen um and I love it.

Kev:

But when we built this house, number one, like we were leading um from the future we were we knew that we wanted to have community um, we, we knew that we were building something that was going to be incredible but be able to be used for eternal purposes and and and so kind of. You know, like Charlie just saying hey guys, you know it's, it's awesome, this is. You know, poker night is the highlight of my month, every single month, or one of the highlights. I absolutely love it. It's a. It's an incredible time of just fun with guys. But if I let people who don't know Jesus pass through our yard time after time without knowing who is the source of our blessings and who is the source of eternity, then this is worthless.

Kev:

And I would just encourage everyone to have the courage. And one of the other guys who came who is first timer but a mutual friend, he said that just by me sharing he's like I was inspired just to be more bold about my beliefs and why I do what I do, and I think Charlie is a great example of that for all of us. One of the other things Charlie said is that there is a God and you are not him. Love that saying.

Bek:

I'm grateful I'm not God, because I could not handle.

Bek:

If anything the last two weeks has taught me, is that my soul and really this is for all of us, our souls were not meant to carry the pain that this world can bring by knowing everything at the same time through social media, seeing mean, hateful comments, seeing pain on people's faces, watching a tragic event like that, like our souls are just not meant to carry all that, and we have allowed ourselves, through technology obviously, to see it all.

Bek:

And what it keeps reminding me is I'm so grateful that we serve a God that is so big. He's beyond my understanding. He holds the ocean in his hands is what scripture says, and when I have a picture like that of the fact that he holds the oceans, which none of us can comprehend because we can stand on the shore and not even see the end of the ocean, or he owns a cattle on a thousand hills, when we have those word pictures from scripture, it's a reminder that he's so big, he's meant to carry all those things, and so it's a humbling reminder of really who we are on this earth.

Kev:

And one of the main concepts that Charlie was combating on campuses is is basically nihilism. Like we as individuals are not gods, Right.

Kev:

And there has to be a source of truth, there has to be a definition of what is right and what is wrong, and the reality is there is a God. You can't deny it. Every little kid that looks at anything that was created knows someone created it Right. And do I have an answer as to how God came about to be Absolutely not? That's part of faith, is like. I don't have an explanation for it, but I don't need one. The evidence for Jesus Christ is unbelievable, is overwhelming. It's very clear and convincing, is overwhelming. It's very clear and convincing, and just understanding that we have to allow for us to not be God, because if we are, if we're all gods, you know, then everything's relative and that leads to absolute chaos, and so I love that one.

Bek:

Another one.

Kev:

And I think, as parents of teenagers, three teenager boys stop being a boy and become a man. You know, this is also something that is rampant in our culture and it's really only been going on for about 100 years, like the concept of adolescence and teenagers didn't come around until about 100 years ago. You know, 100 years ago, you know a hundred years ago, by the time a young man was about 14 years old, he's getting married, he's working a farm or you know he is, he's out on his own, he's having to provide for his wife and and some kids are going to be coming along very quickly. And you had to grow up.

Bek:

He had a lot of responsibility in his teenage years which, when we finally had that concept from a book, we were like, oh my goodness, you know, so many parents are babying their kids into their twenties. They're making their lunches, they're doing their laundry, and it's one thing to you know. Again, as a mom, I can tell you it's hard, like we have a nurturing heart, we want to care, we want to take care of things, but it takes discipline on the part of parenting to expect responsibility, to require it, to celebrate it, to transfer it Like those are. Those are important concepts as our kids are becoming teenagers not getting out of teenagerhood really, as they're becoming teenagers, it's important because it's developing them Basically. You know, the concept that we heard is they're closer to adulthood as teenagers than they are childhood and we often feel like it's an extension of childhood. And then they get to be adults when they, you know, get to their late teens, early twenties. But the truth is they should be well on their way to adulthood in the middle of that timeframe.

Kev:

Yeah.

Bek:

Even though, as boys, their brains are not developed yet, but they're getting there and I think the struggle in those years is actually what really creates the resilience that they need. And what's really cool is to see the effect that Charlie had on that younger generation and seeing both you know, elementary, middle school kids, and even boys especially really follow him and be interested in what he's saying and want to become men, strong, uncommon men like him. And then the college campuses are just overflowing with guys that want to do that and that's the kind of men that our daughter is going to want to marry someday and many of these other women and girls are looking for those kinds of men to step up.

Kev:

Yeah, the whole, you know, wild at heart concept like boys were made for adventure. They were made for risk yes, hard concept. Like boys were made for adventure they were made for risk.

Bek:

Yes, oh geez. If that's not true, all the parents of boys, all the moms of boys, you get it. You know how many ways can they kill themselves. As you know, young, young boys at home, you know jumping on things, climbing things.

Kev:

And the other thing is, you know, boys will rise to our expectations. So if, if in mind, you think they can't cook for themselves, they can't clean up after themselves, they can't do laundry, you know they can't bike to work that's two miles away or something like that. They can't walk places, they'll, they'll. If you keep your expectations low, they will gladly live at those expectations.

Kev:

We all see comfort, raise those expectations, expectations, we all see. Comfort, raise those expectations. Um, they will absolutely rise to them and there'll be much better off. I mean, I was just um earlier today interviewing my friend, uh Dell, who grew up in Haiti and he was providing for his family of seven at the age of 16.

Bek:

Wow.

Kev:

And we're so stinking spoiled in America it's, it's hurting us and this is where you know we love the, the, the axiom right Um strong men create good times. Good times create weak men.

Kev:

weak men create um tough bad, tough, bad times tough times and tough times create strong men and, um, I feel like we're in a turning point, men, and I feel like we're in a turning point. No pun intended, but that's the perfect term for Charlie's organization of we were we had a an excess of weak men and it was creating some tough times.

Bek:

Yes, absolutely.

Kev:

And I'm seeing this resurgence of of of men really wanting saying enough is enough, it's time to become.

Bek:

Dylan, you know, our 14 year old went with us to the memorial and I just looked at him multiple times and I said this is history in the making. Yeah, what a privilege. Oh, my gosh, I'm going to get choked up saying this, but multiple times I just said to God thank you for letting us witness this, like I. I don't know if there'll be more experiences like this in the coming years. There probably will be, and there's been certain things in the past that have been revolutionary, but to be, uh, to be a part of history right now is incredible, and it's such an honor that God's letting us into this plan that he has, because it's just really neat to watch. Yeah and um, we've seen enough of the yucky stuff and the hard stuff that you know.

Bek:

Honestly, in the 2020s or you know, in 2020, I was thinking, man, this world sucks, and I'm not really happy to be living here right now, and even though it's nothing compared to heaven, seeing this revival come, watching people's hearts and minds change, I'm so grateful to be a witness to that and be a part of it right now. And you know, as we've about, raising kids in this era is really difficult. There's a lot between social media technology. I think every decade is difficult, every season for every generation of parents, but this is definitely a difficult one, and when the kids were moving into the teenage years and I remember thinking like, oh my gosh, why do we have to raise kids like this? I would love to raise them in the 80s or 90s, which they had their own problems back then. We had our own problems back then.

Kev:

We had.

Bek:

MTV.

Kev:

We did Well, I didn't, but I saw it at some people's houses.

Bek:

We did, but God just kept reminding me. You are the age you are at, at the stage you are at with the kids that you are at, because I have appointed you for this time and, as we've walked through some of these challenging times, it's like we also get to be appointed to be a part of this potential massive turning point, which is incredible.

Kev:

Yeah, all right. His next saying absolutely love it, get married, preach, yeah, I mean uh we love it Cause we got married young.

Bek:

We do, and I, I mean I'm, I encourage my kids find the right woman and got married young.

Kev:

We do, and I mean I encourage my kids find the right woman and get married young, Like our life is so much better, absolutely.

Kev:

I mean there are so many advantages. I remember hearing a statistic years ago that actually and it surprised me when I heard it that the age group that has the lowest divorce rate was something like 20 to 24. It was 18. It was really young and I thought that shocked me, but it's actually. As I've grown up I realize why I think that is. You're just not as set in your ways.

Kev:

And I don't really care for Andrew Tate. I love him talking about of masculinity, but I think he has a warp view of masculinity he has. He thinks that women are just out to get men and I mean he's fathered multiple children from multiple women and has a lot of questionable traits about him and I don't really appreciate him as a quote unquote role model for our men. I do like him telling them to be tough and to work out and things like that, but he's not really. You know his perspective on marriage is if you get married then she's going to divorce you and take all your money or half your money. And does that happen occasionally? But you know, typically that's if you married the wrong person. And just overall, the statistics on number one married people have the most sex, the best sex. They make the most money. They are the most satisfied in life, and um, it is, it is. It's incredible, I mean it.

Kev:

Marriage is so valuable that that is the relationship that the Bible uses to describe Christ's relationship with the church Right love the chair that charlie stood for marriage uh and encouraged, uh, people to do it, and we are huge fans and we would just tell people that, um, you know, what we tell our kids is find the right woman and get married young, and also be aware of that you're marrying into a family. So, um, and this goes both ways. So be aware of that, you're marrying into a family and this goes both ways.

Bek:

So be aware of the in-laws Heads up whatever's coming into our family.

Kev:

Be aware of the in-laws.

Bek:

We're a hot mess.

Kev:

You're marrying the whole family, not just the spouse.

Bek:

That's why it's good to have community around you.

Kev:

Yes, and also it's okay to set up some boundaries and if you've got the person that you know is right and the you know the in-laws are toxic, then have a conversation with your you know fiance or spouse and make sure that they're on board with setting up some boundaries, cause you don't need to spend every single holiday with your parents or the in-laws. You're creating a new family and if it works out good, awesome. But boundaries are really important.

Bek:

So good.

Kev:

Have lots of children and huge fan of this. I mean, there is this, there's this definite, you know.

Bek:

Stigma.

Kev:

Well, there's this popularity, there's a trend of not wanting children, and there is children are hard. I mean they're.

Bek:

The hardest and most rewarding thing we've ever done.

Kev:

But, uh, but your pet dog, your cat, whatever, will not take care of you when you're old, um, and you need medical care. Um, you know your. I've never heard of anyone on their deathbed saying, man, I wished I hadn't had my kids, or wish I hadn't had as many.

Kev:

What I think most people think is and I've heard many people in their middle ages, kind of beyond those childbearing years, say I wish I'd had more, one or two more. And we're living in such a selfish culture, especially in America. It's so consumeristic. Is that a word, consumeristic?

Bek:

Consumerism, I think, is that a word.

Kev:

Consumeristic.

Bek:

Consumerism. I think it's a word, consumerism, it's a very consumeristic Fact checkers?

Kev:

Nope, we don't have any. But children will break your selfishness, amen. Marriage you can still be very selfish and married like being, and we're not knocking people who, um, you know, you know, just maybe feel, feel called to not children. I mean I. The Bible says be fruitful and multiply over and over. Uh, and so I think, as a general role, if you're like, should we have children or not? It's like, yes, you should. It's like, should we take care of widows and orphans? Yes, you should. But we understand there's exceptions and people who can't Highly encourage adoption or foster care for those who can't. But you can't be. Well, there are some selfish parents, but you can't be a good parent and be selfishness and nothing will break your selfishness like becoming a parent.

Bek:

And congratulations to those that are the chain breakers, Because for some people they don't have kids, and I understand this, because they didn't have great role models. I mean we were super blessed to have we still have married parents. We had married grandparents, which is pretty exceptional in this current world that we live in. We have the blessings of generational faithfulness and a lot of families don't. They have a lot of brokenness, a lot of dysfunction and they're afraid to move into that direction because of the way they grew up.

Bek:

But there are those of you saying I'm going to go for it. My encouragement is do it with the Lord, because he will redeem all kinds of things and we both have different sides of our family that came from brokenness and they made wholeness from that with the Lord, and that's really. We are the beneficiaries of that and our kids are the beneficiaries. And what's beautiful is we're raising generations now that we believe will be stronger and better than us. You know, Lord willing, by the way, that we're, you know, pouring into them for the ways that we've been poured into.

Kev:

Yeah, and as far as parenting advice, you're not raising happy kids. Your goal should not be to have happy kids, like if they occasionally experience happiness, that's okay, but if they're always happy we'd like them to be joyful, but, yeah, happy, and not necessarily the. The mission should be to raise successful, well-adjusted, generous adults. And when we say successful, we're not saying they have to have a degree or anything like that. We're talking about like successful as far as contributing to society following God's will for their life the other thing is community.

Kev:

Having community for raising kids is really important, and also having some mentors, some people who are 10, 20 years ahead of you. Highly recommend that people that you can just ask questions to and they can guide you based on what they've seen. Because one of the things that we've walked through some really tough stuff for the last couple of years and we've had a lot of people share with us. We went through the same thing and these are people that we thought like certainly their kids were perfect, and then you find out, no, their kids went off the rails and now they're following Jesus and incredible parents.

Bek:

Yeah, and some that are still walking the journey with us. So we've kind of gone all over the place. Are we still on, charlie?

Kev:

Yeah, we are. So one more is to just. This is the last one, specifically we are. So one more is to just. This is the last one specifically One of the main things that Charlie would talk about is to live for more than yourself.

Kev:

And once again this goes into our very nihilistic culture, our very selfish culture. You know that ultimately, you know, the pleasures of life will not satisfy you, and King Solomon talks about this in the Bible. You know he talks about it a lot in Ecclesiastes. Yeah, do we enjoy the pleasures of life Absolutely, but you can't take them with you.

Bek:

No.

Kev:

And it's not what we were put here for.

Bek:

Right.

Kev:

And so it is really we highly recommend that you know and ultimately the number one relationship that will help transform you and help you live for more than yourself is a relationship with Jesus, is how profound it was to see, person after person, high government official after government official proclaiming the gospel of Jesus Christ. And not just doing the token.

Kev:

You know America and God bless America but like referencing scripture, like even Tulsi Gabbard, who I don't know that she's a Christian, was like. I don't remember the Bible verse that she shared, but it was a very, it was an obscure Bible verse. It wasn't your typical, you know. John 3.16.

Bek:

Just on John 3.16, by the way.

Kev:

Correct, correct, but it was just unbelievable. It was so encouraging. The Holy Spirit was so present in that moment and it was encouraging and I think, once again for a legacy media, mainstream media that has portrayed Charlie Kirk type people as these Christian nationalists that are a threat to democracy. I think we very clearly proved them wrong that are a threat to democracy.

Kev:

I think we very clearly proved them wrong. Yeah, and you know, we really want to invite people, maybe who have only heard the sound bites, to really like. I remember I had one hater on a social media post. He was oh, it was kyle rittenhouse showed up and and you know he's like oh, it's a group of racist people. I'm like there's actually a fairly diverse ethnicity, um represented at my poker parties.

Kev:

Yes, um, and I actually invited this guy because he, um, he lived in tucson. I said, I said you're welcome to come to a poker party and just see what we're really like.

Kev:

I was like you can bring a friend if you're worried about your safety. Um, and you know his response was I would never come to a place like that. And it's like, of course, you're not willing to check it out. So, um, you know we just invite people, that you know. If you've only seen the sound bites, um, it was a very peaceful, loving place and you know that's what poker parties are like. And you know, we just want to say Charlie you know, rest in peace.

Kev:

We are here to really carry on your legacy. You set a great example for us, for our kids. We hope that I mean your parents should be very proud. I mean your parents should be very proud, yeah, and we would absolutely love it if our boys had the same type of courage that Charlie exhibited in his life.

Bek:

Absolutely, and we're looking forward to carrying on your legacy and we're so grateful for you. Yeah, thanks, charlie.

Kev:

All right friends. A little choked up. I don't think I've made it a day yet.

Bek:

No, we're just praying for Erica, yeah.

Kev:

Yeah, and her kids.

Bek:

Yeah, actually, let me just pray.

Bek:

God, thank you for Charlie's faithfulness and, honestly, you've planted that seed in all of us, and so, whoever listens to this podcast, god, as this goes out into the airwaves, we just pray for anyone who doesn't know you yet to have an open heart, to ask questions, to get into a Bible-believing church, to just open the Bible, to just literally talk to you.

Bek:

God, it says, we can talk to you like a friend and just say, god, if you're real, show me, prove it to me. There's so many testimonies of people doing that and you giving them some personal indication that you see them and you know them. And so we just pray for that and, lord, for all the believing Christians out there, we just ask that they would be bold in their faith. And, god, we just pray for the stewardship of our country and really the stewardship of our families and everything that you've entrusted us with that we would honor you with our choices, with our time, talent and treasure. And thank you for this podcast and whoever it might reach. And thank you for Charlie and Erica and just their commitment to our country and commitment to you, lord, and just the great example they led.

Kev:

Amen, amen. Friends, thanks for listening and God bless America.